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keeping the lights on. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm don lemon. diplomatic efforts are intensifying to put an end to the deadly fighting between israel and hamas. even with international calls for restraint, preparations for an all-out war are taking place. 65 palestinians and 3 israelis have been killed in five days of air attacks. hamas says ten members of the same family were massacred during an israeli air strike in gaza. israel said it was targeting a top militant. >> air sirens screamed out at times in tel aviv for a third straight day. but two rockets headed for israel's largest city were intercepted. dozens more rockets were fired from gaza into israel including one that hit the town.
injured an unsuspecting number of people. meanwhile, egypt and president mohamed morsi say discussions are under way in cairo and arab league foreign ministers are set to visit gaza on tuesday. violence has become a daily nightmare for people living in gaza. anderson cooper joins us now. take us to the ground and what's going on. what you seeing and hearing? >> it's about 2:00 a.m. here. we have heard a number of large explosions this evening. just a few in the last hour or so. this is generally the time when the strikes actually intensify. that's what we have seen over the last several nights. you can hear drones circling overhead, over gaza city as they have been since the conflict began. it's a constant sound, a constant reminder of the israeli forces watching the city. as you mentioned there was a strike. the israeli military said was a
house owned by a hamas commander of an artillerary unit, initially, they said they killed that commander and then walked that back and said they couldn't be clear if he was at the house at the time. ten members of another family were staying at the house. they were all killed. our arwa damon was on the scene, saw a number of children's bodies removed from the wreckage and talked to ambulance crews who said as many as ten people were killed although there's one report now saying 11 people were killed in the blast. we know ten members of one family, also two media centers. whoa. that was a rather large explosion. that occurred -- look out here, i can't actually see where the impact of that was. it's actually set off a number of car alarms. but that was probably the largest explosion we have heard just in the past, really in the past hour.
there have been a number of explosions in the last hour or two, but that one was pretty loud. we actually -- the rockets continue to be fired from gaza toward israel about three or four hours ago, there was actually a quite large rocket fired very close to -- very close to the building where we are right now. >> stay with us here. you said that was the biggest blast you have heard since you have been there. it was quite shocking to see what just happened. >> yeah, it was loud. i mean, i can't tell if it was bigger than some that have occurred farther away. there have been a number of large explosions over the last several days, but in the last five hours, that was the largest explosion closest to where we are right now. generally after one of those, i see an ambulance now turning around and going. but i don't actually see any kind of a fire ball, so it's not clear to me where the actual
explosion took place. i said we saw a large rocket being fired by forces here on the ground in gaza toward israel. that occurred several hours ago, and i'm told there was an immediate response by an israeli drone striking that rocket battery, but i haven't gotten an independent confirmation. >> it could be on the other side of the building from where you are. certainly why you're not seeing it. >> it's possible. it's hard to get a sense of the direction because the sound echoes. this is such, as you mentioned, a tightly packed city. 1.7 million people, and people are living right on top of each other, so kind of echoes ricochet off buildings. unless you see where it landed, it's hard to get a sense of what part of the city was hit. >> talk to us about what people are telling you as you speak to them. >> you know, look, there's a lot of fear. people are bone tired. you know, this has been going on for days now. there's this constant sound of the drones. it's a very eerie feeling, a
very strange feeling. the city appears, you know, very deserted although arwa damon points out people have nowhere else to go. they're all still here, they're just rarely outside. people are rarely going outside their apartments except when they have to get to food, get cooking oil or supplies they need, but shops are shut down, stores are shut down. you don't see a lot of people walking on the streets, at night, it's completely deserted. if people are driving, they're driving very, very fast through the stleets. it's a very tricky time of the night to be going anywhere. you know, there's talk obviously as you know of some sort of peace agreement that's being negotiated elsewhere, but you know, i think there's a lot of skepticism on the ground about the likelihood of that occurring anytime soon. you know, israel points out that hamas refuses its right to exist, to recognize its right to exist. hamas wants israel to stop the blockade of gaza, to stop
blockades at sea as well as on land and a number of other items. so nobody will argue that there's a military solution to this conflict. there needs to be some sort of political solution, some sort of negotiated solutions, but when that might occur or what the parameters of it are is impossible to tell. >> anderson, we're trying to cut the video, and producers are telling me what happens with the explosion. as we set in the studio, we're dealing with small monitors, the people at home have a better view than i do, but i'm told it was over your left shoulder and you can see the flash when you turned around. >> we're trying to get that, but apparently, it was over your left shoulder. stick with us for a little bit here. >> a video of me jumping ou ing my skin? >> yes, we do. and who wouldn't. it's very understandable. how often are you hearing, you know, firing back and forth
here? >> you know, it occurs with some regularity. you know, again, i said i arrived at this location probably about four hours ago and a rocket had just been launched right by this building. and that was responded to very quickly. every, you know, 20 minutes, 10 minutes or so, at night, you can hear some sort of explosion somewhere. and when it's at a great distance, it's hard to tell if it's outgoing or incoming, but it's usually at night when we hear a lot of the incoming from israel targeting various sites. and again, you heard the large explosion just moments ago. now it's silence once again sxept for the drones circling. >> as you're speaking, the clock is up on the bug and it's 2:08 in the morning there. can you imagine being rattled out of your sleep by that? we're going to come back to you in a bit. i'm told you're needed by other
parts of the network. we're going to get back to you. we'll have the video for you. thank you, anderson. be safe, okay. >> sure, thanks. >> join anderson tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern and 10:00 eastern for a special edition of ac 360 live from gaza. benjamin netanyahu said he's prepared to escalate military operations if the rockets don't stop falling. our chief political anchor wolf blitzer has more on israel's iron dome defense system now. >> the iron dome is really a very successful program so far. it's only been in business now for a little more than a year. but the israelis have come up with this anti-missile, anti-rocket system where they get word of what's coming in and they launch, this iron dome goes into action. if it's aimed at a populated area, a city, or a strategic target or a significant political target, it can go up and knock down and destroy that
rocket or missile in midair. it's sort of like the old patriot anti-missile system as a lot of us were familiar with in u.s. wars over the past couple decades. this is designed for short range rockets and missiles, if you will. and it's got about, israelis say so far, it's got about a 90% success rate. they have been using it pretty successfully. problem is there's been about 1,000 rockets and missiles that have come into israel from gaza since last wednesday when this crisis really escalated. every time they get word of a rocket or missile coming in, the sirens go off in the town and the villages, and the people have to rush to air raid shelters or to bunkers, stairwells, wherever they can go. it's causing a lot of terror out there and the israelis say they're not going to tolerate it a whole lot longer. that's the problem right now from the israelis' perspective. they're going in with the air strikes, going after targets in gaza, but there's plenty of civilians who have been killed
in the prauz because it's such a heavily populated area and some of the rockets and missiles are launched from populated areas and you have tragic results in the process. >> we see the video of people fleeing and when the sirens going off, doing anything they can do to get to safety. everyone wants this not to escalate. let's talk about the possibility of a cease fire and what you're hearing from your sources. >> i think that there's intense international efforts under way, and the president of the united states is deeply involved in this. he's speaking to the leaders of egypt, he's hoping that the government of qatar, of turkey, all of whom have good relations with hamas in gaza, they can convince hamas to stop the launching of rockets and missiles into israel. if they stop, the israelis will stop their strikes against them, and they can hopefully begin to achieve a long-range solution. that's going to be very
difficult as all of us know. netanyahu convened his cabinet and made it clear in a public statement if the rockets keep coming in, the israelis have already stood on stand-by 75,000 grand forces, reservists, 35,000 of them are already activated. they're in training exercises not far from gaza and they'll go in as brutal and ugly and horrendous as that may by, they will go. they don't want to do that because it will cause an enormous amount of pain all around and the israelis have had a relatatively poor experience in ghazi four years ago. a bad experience in lebanon in 2006 when they went in against hezbollah forces, they don't want to do it, but the prime minister thinks he may have no choice. my own gut tells me the next 48 hours, 72 hours will be critical, and there's a 50/50 chance of a diplomatic cease fire. >> wolf blitzer, thank you. make sure you join wolf blitzer tomorrow at 4:00 eastern for
"the situation room," a special live edition from jerusalem. okay, so just a moment ago on the air, and i want to make sure i have the right guy. okay, just a moment ago on the air, if you weren't watching, cnn's anderson cooper in gaza, reporting live from a balcony, and then this happened. >> one family, also two media centers -- whoa! that was a rather large explosion. that occurred, look out here. i can't actually see where the impact of that was. it's actually set off a number of car alarms. >> it looked like something over his left shoulder, not sure if it's a reflection or an explosion. but as anderson said, he nearly jumped out of his skin, and who wouldn't? we'll tell you what else is happening there. >> the crisis in the middle east intensifying. can the conflict be settled or will the region go to war? having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier.
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as israelis and palestinians trade rocket fire and inch toward a possible ground war, palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas called on arab league leaders to hold a summit as soon as possible. those abbas's group gave up control of hamas years ago, he said he's in close contact with leaders there. he also said he thinks israel's latest attacks are designed, quote, to increase division between two parts of the homeland. that's the arab homeland he's
talking about. i'm joined now. he's the palestinian liberation organization representative to the u.s. mr. ambassador, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i don't know if you were able to see what happened live on our air. when you see things like that, what goes through your head? >> well, what goes through my head, the suffering of my people in the gaza strip and the atrocities the israelis are committing against an innocent population. you referred anderson cooper referred in his report to 11 people killed from the same family. 4 under the age of 10, including a pregnant woman with a yet to be born baby. there is human suffering as a result of this israeli campaign. that's where our hearts and minds are right now. >> do you think the arab unification is the answer to the latest round of violence? >> arab unification? >> yes. >> i think the arabs are showing
more sympathy and more support to the palestinian people. and they are making it clear to the israelis that they are not going to tolerate a continued campaign against the palestinian people. we have a political problem, don, there. this is not a military issue. the israelis understand the irony with israel is they tried it in 2008, they tried it in 2006, they tried it 1996 in lebanon. they keep trying the same failed approach which is military adventures. when is the israelis going to understand that the only way out of this conflict is to resolve it through political means once and for all by ending their occupation and allowing the palestinian people to be independent and free? >> israel's ambassador to the u.s., michael lauren, was on this program last night. he leveled a very serious accusation against hamas. listen. >> trying to drive home a
message to hamas that they cannot shoot at israeli civilians trying to kill israeli civilians with impunity. we have been able to reduce to a rarbable extent the civilian casualties on their side. hamas are trying to maximize the number of civilians they kill. that's the difference between a terrorist organization and a democratic country. >> what do you make of mr mr. oren's statement. >> what i would like to say, 75 palestinians have been killed so far. 680 have been wounded. 24 were killed today, one third of the 74 killed so far. i think it takes two to tango here. the ambassador knows it was israel who provoked hamas by taking out one of their military commanders on wednesday. they knew that hamas and other factions in the gaza strip would retaliate. they also are to be blamed for
this evilation in the violence between the ghaauzza strip and israel. there is only a political solution to the conflict. a solution that will also lead to the lifting of the block aid and the siege of the ghazi strip that has been in place for the last six years. 1.6 million palestinians are living in big jail and they're not allowed to move in and out of the gaza strip. it's time for the united states, for international communities, to force and pressure israel to lift this siege, and that, i believe, will lead to putting an end to this. >> i want to bring in anderson cooper who is in gaza and experiencing this. you saw what happened to him moments ago on the air. then we all three will talk. anderson, you there? >> yeah, don. >> okay. so let's play the video. i don't know if you can see it. we did see the video, and it did at least the explosion, i'm not sure the reflection wasover your
left shoulder. this is anderson on the balcony. >> whoa! >> you see the reflection first, then you hear the explosion, anderson. since then, i understand you have witnessed more. >> yeah, first of all, don, our sources on the ground say what was hit was a police station on the other side of the building we're on now, so if you did see some sort of a reflection, or an explosion, it was a reflection, not something behind me. and about five minutes later, there was another large explosion, another incoming, and as i pointed out, several hours ago, there was a large rocket being fired from gaza city toward israel. our boen wedeman when was here described it not as a sig kn significant rocket, not the sort of more or the less technically sophisticated -- i guess
advanced rockets, sophisticated rockets that proviously would have been fired here many years ago. that's part of the difficulty that israel is facing, the changing nature of the conflict. the sophistication of some of the rockets fired toward israel has increased significantly. >> anderson, i'm speaking now with the palestinian liberation organization representative to the u.s. here, and we have been talking about the statements going back and forth between israel and palestine and the palestinian people here. he's talking about the deaths of people and the people on the ground who are suffering through these attacks as well. and being disturbed, as it is now, 2:22 in the morning in gaza. talk to us about that, anderson. >> well, without a doubt, obviously, any people who are being subjected to the bum bardment of the city they're living in, it's difficult. there have been, according to health officials in gaza, about half of the casualties they have
seen have been women and children. obviously, we have seen that in the hospitals for ourselves just today. israeli military said they were striking at the house of a hamas commander. a man they said was a hamas commander of an artillery unit. they usually said they had killed him in the strike. they walked that back and said they're not sure if they have, but we know ten members of another family living in the house at the time, they were killed. and obviously, we have our reporters on the scene for that. we have seen civilian casualties and the israeli military said they're targeting strikes. you hear ambulances going by right now. they're trying to target strikes as much as possible, but as you know, gaza is a very populated city. 1.7 million people, gaza city is, and people are living very close to one another, and in any kind of military conflict like this, you're going to have civilian casualties. >> anderson and ambassador, stand by. we need to get a quick break in.
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organization ambassador to the u.s. anderson reporting just moments ago from a balcony in gaza and then watch what happens. >> two media centers -- whoa! that was a rather large explosion. >> yes, anderson, that was a rather large explosion. anyone would be frightened by that. at first you see the reflection of the flash over the left shoulder. but anderson says it's a police station. i want to get to you, ambassador, first, because when you hear what anderson said about people on the ground and how they're feeling, what they're dealing with, do you think public sentiment at all will play a role in deescalating the situation? >> i did experience this kind of israeli attacks when i lived in ramallah in 2002 in the west bank when the israelis invaded the west bank. all the major cities of the west
bank in 2002. this is exactly what we're seeing. we're seeing that the plo does not tallivaolerate violence, do want to see an escalation in violence, but at the same time, this is a political problem. when you besiege 1.5 million people, when israel continued to denide palestinian rights to live side by side in peace and security with israel, this is exactly the outcome, the outcome that we are expected to see. and the israeli government continues to take the same path that they have taken in the past. relying very much on the military power. you know, our people have endured so much. we are aspiring to see an end to the israeli occupation and be able to live in peace and dignity. as long as israelis don't get that, i don't think we'll ever see peace or security in the middle east. >> and i'm reading, mr. ambassador, just getting a
statement in from the state department as it concerns secretary clinton, and as soon as we get more information on this, i'll read it to our viewers. basically, it's saying that the secretary has been made numerous phone calls and she underscored israel's right to self defense when rockets are falling on its citizens and then on and on. we'll get the full statement up for our viewers in a moment. anderson, back to you. you said it was a police station, and we understand that there's video coming in shortly of a second blast as you were on the air there. the people in israel are dealing with -- they have this iron dome system. where you are, that's not in place. >> that's certainly correct. there's not the kind of air raid warning system here in gaza that there is in israel. i would just point out just for accuracy's sake, you heard what the ambassador is stating, the position of the plo. you know, israel's position is that hamas is not recognizing
its right to exist, and continues to fire rockets from civilian centers and civilian populations and that's quite clear. we see that all around. so just for accuracy's sake, the ambassador is saying that it's israel who doesn't recognize the right of the palestinians for israel's position, it's that hamas does not recognize its right to exist and continues to fire these rockets. and you know, from civilian population centers where they know if there's going to be a response to it, there's no doubt civilian casualties will occur as well. >> you want to respond to that? >> of course, i want to respond to that. we did sign the peace agreement with israel, the plo did sign a peace agreement with israel. >> you're the plo. >> israeli leaders are not limited to the gaza strip, anderson. they are embarking on legal s settlement activities in the west bank. they have refused to talk to the
plo over the last four years. >> i'm not denying that. >> we have urged them to sit down and try to resolve the conflict once and for all, and you have an israeli government here that does not have peace on its agenda. they are using now the conflict in the gaza strip in advance of an election in january. israel embarked on three or four military campaigns prior to general elections in the last ten to 12 years, and you know, they have to also understand that the plo has been willing and forthcoming to try to resolve this conflict politically. hamas does not recognize israel, israel does not recognize hamas. this is an issue that will be sorted out once the israelis decide to have peace with the whole of the palestinian people, not only with certain factions. >> as anderson said, he's not denying that. he's just offering the viewers some clarification on the language here. >> this is not the issue right
now, don. the issue right now is an israeli military campaign that are killing hundreds of people and wounding hundreds of people in the gaza strip. innocent people are paying a price for a campaign that is being carried out by a military power, the most powerful country in the middle east, and this has to come to an end. everybody has the right to defend themselves, but an occupying power trying to s subjugate an entire population to its military rule and you want to deny the people, that's absurd. >> anderson, moments ago, another explosion. let's look. >> i don't know if you can hear that. that was another quite large explosion. relatively close to where i am. i'm not sure if that was in the same -- the explosion we heard before was very similar to that.
and -- >> so anderson, you were on cnn international, and you said to me earlier on this broadcast that it was coming about every 20 minutes or so. have you seen an escalation in that or is it still the same? >> well, those two blasts occurred probably in the last 15 or 20 minutes or so. i haven't heard anything since then. it's usually around this time of night that the bombings escalate. this is from what i'm told, this is my first day here, but over the last several nights, it's usually been around this time. this is what i think people here have come to expect. we'll see what happens in the hours ahead. >> anderson cooper, thank you. >> thanks to both of you, we appreciate it. >> civilians living in fear, as israeli forces battle hamas militants across the israel border. civilians are caught in the cross fire. their stories next.
getting tense on both sides of the border. anderson is in gaza city. while he was on our air about 30 minutes ago, a rocket attack could be seen and heard in the background. here it is. >> in that blast, but we know ten members of one family, also two media centers -- whoa! that was a rather large explosion. that occurred -- >> we have been talking about casualties inside gaza, across the border in israel. officials say the persistent rocket attacks that prompted their air offensive against hamas hasn't let up. north of gaza, israeli authorities say at least 120 rockets have been aimed at them together. dennis had to take cover when he was out on assignment earlier.
>> the crews now working on the ground. that seems to indeed be part of the rocket that has landed here. people spend most of their days indoors. there's another rocket right now. we have to get out of here. >> israel's iron dome missile defense system has knocked down scores of rockets, but life in israel is far from normal. here again is fred. >> don, there was a lot going on in the area today, especially a lot of air alarms going on. in fact, we woke up early this morning and the first thing we saw waw a rocket had hit indowntown. we moved to the scene of the first air strike. there was another air alarm while we were there, we had to take cover, and it continues exactly that way. the israeli government says there were at least 120 rockets fired out of gaza into this area in israel throughout the day. one of the things the israelis have here is the iron dome
missile defense system. i was on the scene of one of the missile defense batteries and it was in action the entire time. you could hear it fire off rockets, see it fire off rockets, and there was one instance that i remember where we were actually taking cover from a possible rocket strike, and we could see it intercept seven or eight rockets at once, only about 200 yards above our heads. now, of course, all of this is taking a heavy toll on the population that lives in this area here. especially in the town where people here are concerned. they're trying to leave their houses as little as possible. venture out as little as possible and really keep their children inside. it really is something that's also taking a psychological toll, of course, especially on the littlest ones. the mayor told me a couple days ago he believes commerce in this town is down by about 80%. you can see that the streets are absolutely empty here in the evenings. normally people go out here at night, go to bars, have their beer in the open.
now, of course, that is not happening at all. so the people we're speaking to today, they support the military operations going on, but they also hope it will end very soon, don. >> fred, as the tensions in the middle east escalate, we're consttly getting new video and images like these from boat sides of the israel/gaza conflict. we'll show you the latest streaming in next. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america.
there's a new twist in a clash between israel and hamas. josh is here with all of the details. >> we have been following all of the latest from the cnn international desk, part of the "cnn newsroom." this is interesting. we have been talking about the role of twitter and social media in this battle between hamas and israel. hamas did something a lot of people find surprising. they have tweeted out a link to
israeli television. i want to show you this clip they're linking to. this is a clip of an apparent attack, as we understand it, near tel aviv today. and hamas, the militant wing is saying that this was a good shot on their part. we're not sure exactly what that's about, what we have seen reports of from israel itself is that the interceptors from iron dome are working. in fact, take a look at this video we have also from israel channel 2 earlier today right here. >> what you're seeing there are some attacks, rockets coming in from gaza, and israel using the iron dome interceptors to stop them. now, there was one earlier in the day that apparently when the interceptor met the rocket, ended up falling, injuring a civilian. we're not sure if this is what hamas is now pointing to, but let me bring you back from the screen. we have been talking about the twitter war. and these messages keep coming.
the videos keep coming. the messages keep coming. israel has this one up right now talking about a recap of the fifth day, everything that has been going on here. they're talking about the member of attacks on israel during the day. we're also seeing more from hamas. take a look over here. this is something hamas has put out on twitter. this is a picture of the hamas military leader who was killed in a military strike last week. these are some of the latest in the volleys back and forth. our fred who you saw reporting minutes ago, sent me a picture earlier today. let's see if we can zoom in. he wasn't able to get on twitter at the time, but he wanted everybody to see this. this looks like a picture of the sky, but if you look closely, there are these five splotches right here, and those are what it looks like from his vantage point inside israel when you're seeing rockets being stopped during the day by the iron dome system. there are many heartbreaking pictures from all sides of the
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follow-up to a story on friday about the death of 4-year-old boy in gaza. the child's death got a lot of aafter his body was kissed by egypt's prime minister during a tour of a gaza hospital. we need too warn you about the video your bea to see. it is heartbreaking and may be considered disturbing to some viewers. for our report, cnn visited the child's home that neighbors said had been bombed five hours previously. neighbors and family members told cnn they heard an aircraft
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each year, more than 20,000 people die from an accidental prescription overdose, that's one person every 19 minutes. in fact, prescription overdoses are how the number -- are now the number one cause of accidental deaths in the u.s., passing car crashes are. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, has been looking into this growing epidemic. we should say your special coming up at the top of the hour. interesting conversation you had with the former president, bill clinton. >> he is the one who sort of called me about this originally. i have talked to him many times the years. i have never heard him quite like this he lost two friends -- two friends lost their sons within a few days of each other due to this problem, accidental deaths due to prescription drug overdose. i talked to him about several things related to, they really wanted to talk, don about this issue. i wanted you to hear a small part of what he said. >> okay. >> 80% of the world's pain
prescriptions are in this country. 80%. does that surprise you? >> i didn't know that. no, because -- >> that a cultural problem? >> it is cultural. people think, i have got a headache or i have got this or my elbow is sore, whatever, and look, i don't want to minimize, there are a lot of people who live courageous lives in constant pain. but there's no question that since we represent 5% of the world's people, we got no business popping as many pills as we do. >> how did we get to the point we consume, collectively, so many painkillers, so many prescription medications? >> i think we live in a culture of overabundance as it is frankly, it is easier for doctor to write a prescription and easier for patients to fill that prescription rather than diving into the root cause of the pain. we consume 80% of the pain pill notice world here. we don't have 80% of the pain, obviously. also this movement about 20 years ago to think of pain as a
fifth vital sign. any time anybody came in for anything, no matter how minor, they might walk away with a prescription for pain pills because no one should ever be in pain. i think, obviously there are legitimate uses of these pain pills but i think we are seeing the consequences, 600% is the amount these pills have gone up the last ten years. >> it is relatively easy. you heard the president talking about it, a big issue you have someone like bill clinton talking about it, anyone can bring a voice, he can and you can. you can go to the doctor now, some doctors, i should say, say, you know, i have an ear ache and this, they write it right away. what is the solution? >> i think this is gonna be -- this is much of a message for consumers as it is for the medical community, which is what i think you're saying, a lot of doctors again out there, it takes the extra beat to find out is there something else going on? could there be an alternative solution? could depression or anxiety be something that is also fueling this physical pain? it takes time to get at